repost: Excellent summary of the conflict in Syria by Ronald Rogers

Update 3:57 pm – added additional summary info about the Syria conflict from wiki…  go to bottom of the page for the update.  also here is a summary of casualties:


Written by Frank M. Lin 12/14/2016 3:19 pm @ San Francisco, California – I swear this shit makes my blood BOIL. I’m so mad at the people who have power. DO SOMETHING. You fucking greedy elitists bastards (war mongers that profits from war) disgust me. Donald fucking Trump you better not disappoint me and I hope you fix the Syria situation asap as soon as you get into office. Obama is a useless POS that is gutless, went back on his words on several key issues, and nothing but a elite puppet. Well excuse my languages but I’m so mad (and sad).

All the hundreds and thousands of refugees spreading across Europe could have been prevented if the leaders of the world WORK TOGETHER. If the developed country can bring peace to Syria first, and let them sort out the small differences internally/peacefully. Come on, this shit is so easy to solve.

Looks like I might have to take up a new career if I really want to be effective and change the world…

For this blog I’m going to try something different.  I’m listing the comment made by Ronald Roger first because it provides a good summary of the Syria situation.  After 3 comments, below I will link to the The Telegraph UK article and you can read and compare the difference…

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Ronald Rogers14 Dec 2016 1:44PM

The lies and distortions the British media are putting out about Syria are incredible.No attempt at clarification of the situation is ever made only a clever refusal to ask the real questions.

The situation is not really very complicated despite attempts to make it so.

First some background

Ever since Putin came to power and stopped Wall Street financiers buying  up Russian assets cheaply ,America has been at war with Russia In the 1920s a famous American when asked if America would rule the world like the British replied No we will not rule the world,we will merely own it.This basic fact of American life means there is always hostility to any kind of blocking of Americas commercial power. In 1946 America ,angry at the new British socialist government suddenly broke the Lend lease agreement supplying food to Britain leaving the British (with six million men still in uniform )on the brink of starvation The British were forced to beg for a loan given under onerous terms that crippled British industry for decades and destroyed the British Empire overnight

Syria is a long time ally of Russia which has two bases their .America has sought to destroy the  pro Russian President Assad and replace him by an American puppet who will remove the Russian bases and Russian influence

Under Assad ,Syria is a westernised Europeanised secular nonreligious tolerant semi socialistic nation,many women don’t wear headscarves and alcohol is allowed

To destroy Assad Americas CIA has found funded and armed rebel groups of religious fanatics.Sadly its true that there are Muslims who bitterly resent modern Muslim life and seek a return to the most fundamental principles meaning marriage at any age and full sex at nine with children etc

America was extremely successful in running their war against Assad until the Russians decided to enter it.  At the same time it was realised that although the American rebels are called moderates they really have the same primitive principles as ISIS and Al Quada two other primitive forces created by America but which turned against America with disastrous consequences. The weapons etc that America was supplying to their moderates were being given or sold to ISIS etc. America began withdrawing support for its moderate rebels

The war is now being won by Assad but is not over.America is a ruthless nation and may have several tricks up its sleeve

Much of the propaganda recently has centered on Aleppo and its civilians. Cleverly the British and western media never say who these civilians are. The fact is they are either supporters of Assad and are held hostage by the rebels which is a cowardly and despicable war crime or they are supporters and family members of the rebels who are committing another war crime in allowing and keeping women and children in a war zone despite the offers of safe passage by the Syrians and Russians

The callousness and brutality of these rebels is shown in the terrible pictures of child victims being pulled from rubble etc. The British media concentrates on the children never on the men who keep their children there and use them as propaganda

At the moment we keep hearing of a massacre in Aleppo. So far there has been no massacre.The way the British media in supporting these primitive child rapists, twists the situation is disgraceful and shocking

Peter Hirsch14 Dec 2016 2:24PM

@Ronald Rogers

All true, Mr Rogers.As good a summary of the situation as one could hope for. But not politically correct.  I am quite surprised your excellent comment is still allowed to be visible. All you’ve missed is that the US initially supported ISIL and before it, al Quaeda.

Sean lanigan14 Dec 2016 12:50PM

Putin saw an opportunity in Syria. Rather than depose the only man capable of controlling the county, Putin decided to support him and make sure Syria is firmly in the Russian sphere of influence for decades to come.

Who do you think is going to re-stock Syria’s military hardware and rebuild the country after all of this? I very much doubt Assad will be falling over himself to appoint western companies to do all the rebuilding. Russia will make back it’s investment in spades and Syria is lost to the Russians. An entire generation of people will be brought up hating everything we stand for, and who can blame them as we sat back and watched them burn.

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A friend of my posted on facebook the updated situation in Syria by the UK press.  It is always interesting reading articles about any given event based on a different perspective.  Change the view, and the impression could be vastly different.  From what I gather, what Julie Lenarz write is just caring about the civilians, it is a picture that is more micro in scope.  While Mr. Ronald Roger goes back nearly 100 years and covers history and gives us the true back ground story of the situation.

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We are watching Aleppo burn in real time. And just like in Bosnia and Rwanda, we do nothing

A stream of civilians walk down a devastated and foggy street in the Bustan al-Qasr neighbourhood of Aleppo
The last rebel held districts of Aleppo are beginning to fall CREDIT:STRINGER/AFP PHOTO/GETTY IMAGES

Every time a massacre happens, we say “never again”. Now, “never again” is happening in Aleppo, as I write.

The government’s operation to recapture the rebel-held eastern part of the city is in its final stages and reports of atrocities are coming in.

The Syrian army is reportedly going from house to house and executing residents on the spot. At least 82 civilians, including women and children, were shot on Monday, according to a spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.

A line of refugees, mostly women in Islamic garb, accompanied by young children in winter coats, walk along a wet and muddy road alongside bombed out buildings
This is not the first time that the West has looked on and done nothing. It is the first time we have watched it happen in real timeCREDIT: STRINGER/AFP PHOTO/GETTY IMAGES

Residents fear summary executions, forced disappearances, torture, and rape – a grim litany of war crimes. Meanwhile, the Syrian regime and the Russian government are ignoring calls for the safe passage of civilians from war-torn Aleppo, as more than 100,000 terrified people are still trapped inside the city.

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If this story sounds familiar, that is because we have heard it before. We have seen it on the killing fields of Cambodia, the ghost towns of Iraqi Kurdistan poisoned by chemical weapons, in the faces of machete-wielding Rwandans, the sieges of Sarajevo and Srebrenica, and the desert death camps of Darfur.

“Never again,” the world pledged in the wake of these atrocities. And yet the same horrors are now being inflicted on the people of Aleppo and we are reacting with much the same carelessness.

It is too late for the people of Aleppo. They will follow the restless souls of Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia, and Darfur in a long line of victims abandoned by the international community

We cannot say we did not know. We knew then and we know now. We can watch in real time how terrified residents post their final “goodbyes” on social media. The Syrian Civil Defence, also known as the White Helmets, who act as first responders, issued a desperate final plea to the world: “The bombs are falling as we write this.

For years our humanitarian volunteers have worked to save the lives of our people in Aleppo: operating in underground hospitals, rescuing entire families buried under rubble and risking our lives to document what the daily war crimes committed by Assad regime and its ally Russia. We can do no more.”

Watch | Syria rebels and civilians ‘obstructed’ from leaving Aleppo


The UN, paralysed by Russia’s and China’s veto in the Security Council, has long been reduced to issuing empty mantras ranging from being “very concerned” to “deeply concerned” and, lately, “gravely concerned”.

But their condemnation of crimes committed against innocent civilians does not feed the children on the streets of Aleppo.

Investigators from the International War Crimes Tribunal are seen clearing soil and debris away from a large mass of compressed and decayed bodies in a mass grave in Srebrenica in 1996
A mass grave in Srebrenica is excavated by investigators. What horrors will await future investigations of Aleppo? CREDIT: STATON R. WINTER/AP PHOTO

It does not keep warm the elderly, or help the men pulling women from the rubbles of the ruins of their city.

Five years into the civil war, Syria has turned into the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of our time. All red lines have been crossed.

Non-intervention is not the answer to the failures of intervention

One of the greatest failures of our political leadership has been to allow Syria and Russia to dominate the narrative around Aleppo.

Everyone is now a terrorist. Every hospital bombed a secret weapons storage. Every use of chemical weapons a false flag operation by the rebels.

Three men in suits, including Vitaly Churkin the Russian ambassador to the United Nations, sit behind a desk sign reading Russian Federation at the UN Security Council in New York
The Russian and Chinese Security Council vetoes have prevented any meaningful action by the UN CREDIT: SETH WENIG/AP PHOTO

Of course you can take the position that Syria is not our war. After all, the public appetite to involve ourselves in conflicts in far-flung places is at a decades-long low.

But do not fool yourself into thinking that the consequences of a war of such scale can be contained to the borders of its country.

Watch | ‘Is there nothing that can shame you?’: Samantha Power criticises Syria, Russia and Iran over Aleppo


Aleppo will become the ultimate symbol of anger and disillusion. It will drive more young men into the arms of Islamic State and other terrorist groups and it will bring more refugees to Europe’s shores.

We did not learn the right lessons from decades of war. Non-intervention is not the answer to the failures of intervention.

The truth is that full-scale interventions as seen as in Afghanistan and Iraq are difficult. And so are partial interventions as we have experienced in Libya.

A totally devastated street in Aleppo, with buildings smashed to pieces and an overturned and burnt out tank visible in the distance
The destruction in Aleppo is immense CREDIT: GEORGE OURFALIAN/AFP/GETTY IMAGES

But if anything, Syria has shown that consequences of inaction must not be ignored or forgotten, for they can sometimes have repercussions even more devastating than the choice to take action.

It is too late for the people of Aleppo. They will follow the restless souls of Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia, and Darfur in a long line of victims abandoned by the international community.

At least we have another opportunity to reflect on how we want to respond to mass atrocities in the future.

Julie Lenarz is executive director of the Human Security Centre

Watch | Aleppo’s death bulletins – in 90 seconds


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Additional thoughts, here are some facts about the Syria conflict from the wiki page –

The Syrian Civil War (Arabic: الحرب الأهلية السورية‎‎) grew out of the unrest of the 2011 Arab Spring and escalated to armed conflict after President Bashar al-Assad‘s government violently repressed protests calling for his removal.[120] The Syrian government has since then refused efforts to negotiate with what it describes as armed terroristgroups.[121][122] The war is being fought by several factions: the Syrian Government and its various supporters, a loose alliance of Sunni Arab rebel groups (including the Free Syrian Army), the Syrian Democratic Forces, Salafi jihadistgroups (including al-Nusra Front) who often co-operate with the Sunni rebels, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). The factions receive substantial support from foreign actors, leading many to label the conflict a proxy war waged by both regional and global powers.[123][124][125]

Syrian opposition groups formed the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and seized control of the area surrounding Aleppoand parts of southern Syria. Over time, factions of the Syrian opposition split from their original moderate position to pursue an Islamist vision for Syria, as al-Nusra Front and ISIL.[126] In the north, Syrian government forces largely withdrew to fight the FSA, allowing the Kurdish YPG to move in and proclaim de facto autonomy.[127] In 2015 the YPG joined forces with Arab, Assyrian, Armenian and some Turkmen groups, forming the Syrian Democratic Forces, while most Turkmen groups remained with the FSA.[128]

International organizations have accused the Syrian government, ISIL and other opposition forces of severe human rights violations and of many massacres.[129][130][131][132][133] The conflict has caused a refugee crisis. On 1 February 2016,[134] a formal start of the UN-mediated Geneva Syria peace talks was announced by the UN but fighting continues.[135]

Well, I can easily conclude in a nutshell, all this atrocities is simply resulting from the stupid ass religion.  As I have repeatedly said over probably a decade now, only uneducated people or under-educated people would fall for dumb ass religion.  Religion is simply a tool used by the elite and people in power to CONTROL the masses.  Simple as that.  In another blog few weeks is also highly worth of you time if you are interested understanding how the world works.  It is written by a true scholar and you will learn a lot about history and Islam from it.


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